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So Disappointed...

Picked up my new 2006 XLR-V on January 2nd. Although the car is awesome I have had to remind the selling dealer that a full detail should have been done as well as a walk around inspection. With a couple chipped wheels and a bunch of light scratches found after I got home, I am faced with a 250 mile round trip for the fix or have one of their reps come by the house to pickup for a day or two. Neither choice is acceptable with a Caddy dealer 5 miles from my house.

With all this happening I have managed to get the windows tinted and yesterday had the iPOD interface installed (SMART PARK GMCL21600). My first gen iPOD would shut down when the interface was plugged in but a friends NANO seemed to work. However, not realizing the NANO was in SHUFFLE mode all I could do was track up or down. Not sure how many other commands can be controlled on the in dash touch screen. I plan to pickup a 30GB iPOD; will advise performance. One thing I have noticed is you have to remember to turn down the volume when switching FROM XM to FM bands.

With just 550 miles I jump in the car this morning and just about every warning on the DIC display came up. The top was down and wouldn't move. The gas analog gas gauge was at empty, etc , etc, etc. So I take the car to the local dealer and they think needs a new ECM. Of course they have to order it so I am in a rental all weekend. Hope this isn't related to the iPOD interface install!

Although I just traded in a nearly problem free 2005 Corvette, the XLR ROCKS! Can't wait for the next mod....Come on Corsa...keep your promise!
 
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I wouldn't tell them about the IPOD connection unless they see it. They'll look for any excuse to dollar you on this one. I hope you get this problem and finish taken care of with no hassles. Most light scratches can be clayed out really easy. If the wheels are scratched, damand new ones. Good Luck, I too love my V bought last Feburary 28th
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Purchased by 06 V in October, have 150kms {90 Miles}, parked it for the winter,received a recall notice from GM Canada stating that they need to replace the engine due to a problem with the connecting rods not being torqued to their proper specs....I am a little peed off.. I have been told by the head engineer from Cadillac that is in charge of HP engines that mine was the only one in Canada and that ther were 12 more in the US. I have asked GM for a new car but they will not give me one.{No lemon laws in Canada}.Anyone else on the forum have this problem yet? I guess`they realized they had a problem when an engine failed at 2100 miles....Any suggestions on what I may do....
 
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Purchased by 06 V in October, have 150kms {90 Miles}, parked it for the winter,received a recall notice from GM Canada stating that they need to replace the engine due to a problem with the connecting rods not being torqued to their proper specs....I am a little peed off.. I have been told by the head engineer from Cadillac that is in charge of HP engines that mine was the only one in Canada and that ther were 12 more in the US. I have asked GM for a new car but they will not give me one.{No lemon laws in Canada}.Anyone else on the forum have this problem yet? I guess`they realized they had a problem when an engine failed at 2100 miles....Any suggestions on what I may do....
 

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canuck: You probably should write to Cadillac(documentation) expressing your disappointment in the fact that a car of this quality and stature should not have a major repair/replacement so short in it's life! Therefore vehicle replacement is justified....;)

What are the chances of catastrophic engine failure? Rather than replace, can they drop the oil pan and work from underneath. What about using the strategy that you will be keeping this car forever and it will no longer be "numbers matching":yesnod

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Purchased by 06 V in October, have 150kms {90 Miles}, parked it for the winter,received a recall notice from GM Canada stating that they need to replace the engine due to a problem with the connecting rods not being torqued to their proper specs....I am a little peed off.. I have been told by the head engineer from Cadillac that is in charge of HP engines that mine was the only one in Canada and that ther were 12 more in the US. I have asked GM for a new car but they will not give me one.{No lemon laws in Canada}.Anyone else on the forum have this problem yet? I guess`they realized they had a problem when an engine failed at 2100 miles....Any suggestions on what I may do....
I guess I don't understand something. I was reading a car magazine, it may have been Corvette Magazine, where they did an article on the Wixom plant that hand assembles the Z06 and XLR-V engines. One of the key points in the article, that they repeated several times, was that the engines could not move from one stage of assembly to the next until all of the bolts were properly torqued. Apparently, they have equipment set up specifically to monitor the torque and torque the bolts in the proper sequence. The equipment is set up so that it also stores the torques in their database and gives the assembler feedback as to whether the torques were done in proper sequence and to the proper values. So, my question is, if the engines are indeed assembled in this manner and if memory serves, all 328 torques have to be within specification before the engine can be released to put in a vehicle, how can 13 engines be built and assembled in cars with improper torque? Out of calibration equipment?
 

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torque wrench spec

ebferro,

I would think that after they use the torque wrench so many time they have to have the torque wrench re-calibrated to some spec.
It would be there that they found the wrench was not set right/broken/out of spec and that the last time it did meet the specs was 13 cars/motors back.
So that is were they would start looking.

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ebferro,

I would think that after they use the torque wrench so many time they have to have the torque wrench re-calibrated to some spec.
It would be there that they found the wrench was not set right/broken/out of spec and that the last time it did meet the specs was 13 cars/motors back.
So that is were they would start looking.

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motorboat:
I understand what you're saying. What I don't understand is how 13 cars get built with engines that have improperly torqued bolts. It would seem that there has to be some lag between when the engines are built and when they're actually assembled into vehicles. I would hope that if calibration was the issue, the frequency of calibration would be such that a problem would be discovered prior to engines getting into cars. Or if engines were built with torquing devices that were suspect, that those engines would be tagged as suspect in some way and then not used until verification that all was good was accomplished. That's just standard ISO procedure, I believe. That's just my take on the situation. What do I know?
 

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You ASSume....

You actually assume that GM/Cadillac/the Liar (I mean Dealer) are telling the truth!

They want to replace the motor, because they know that it's damaged/completely screwed up, soon to fail, etc. :cuss

GM don't give free engines because they are nice!:nodno

Elfred, the "numbers matching" argument is brilliant--hugely affects value down the road when these are collector cars--with an article or two you'd beat them in court, or at least get $ damages, which you could apply to your new V.:reddevil

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Mr Super Moderator............I would have to agree wiith Dadonater on this one. This engine must have issues or they wouldn't do an engine swap instead of some mickey mouse stuff.
Bob
 

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engine replacement

I may have to agree on the serial numbers not matching but that might be able to be worked out. Paperwork/title could be changed, serial number plate moved to the new motor or something like that.

I would say this at when a Evinrude, Johnson, Mercury outboard or a MerCuriser or Volvo Penta inboard/outboard motor has a internal problem they will NOT let us repair it if it is less then one year old.
We are fully capable and trained to do the repairs but they want the power head back for engineering to take it apart.
They would send us a short block or some times a fully dressed motor for the repairs.
I am sure that some people would get complete new outboard but most don't. I have never heard of someone getting a NEW boat because the motor broke. Some may ask that there warr. be extended.

I know, I know this is a $90K dollar car we are talking about but outboards are getting up to $22K all by there selfs. And a 2007 30' 302 Cobalt is now selling $170K.

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There are so few individual automobiles where "matching numbers" plays a role that you may be better off "investing" in lotto tickets. Just my opinion.
 

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Well for those of us who are "Legacy Members" I can remember the "Quality Assurance Process" that was employed during initial start up for the XLR.

They would make "Batches" of them in color and number and then go back thru the set after final assembly from EVERY standpoint. IF there was ANY problem what-so-ever -- fit finish or mechanical the whole batch went back to be corrected.

My point is that they have the QC process down pat and I would think that the "V"s which are SUPPOSED to have "Hand Built" motors would be the absolute last to have issues that reach the customer.

It will be interesting to see what they do to correct this and if we ever know the details.

As far as matching numbers go, they will restamp a new motor with the correct number for the car and ship it to the dealer for an exchange.

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