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Total Time in Shop 67 days.
Total Repairs Completed - 24
Brakes and Rotors Replaced - 3x

So I finaly broke the engine in when the car started sounding more like a 78 chevy than an 80K Luxary Roadster. Took it in and they tell me that no problem was found. Got tired of hearing the sounds the car was making, took it back, now everybody hears it. So 39 days and a new engine later, sound is gone, and car is now running like a 78 chevy. Everything feels loose, half the time I think the car is about to break in half. I've had the stupid thing for almost a year now, and all I got on it is 6200 miles. Every problem that could happen, happened to me. And I mean everything. So now I drive it at most once a week, and I regret it everytime. So all I can do is sit and wait for my attorney.

Oh and the only thing GM had to say was that they were sorry for any inconvienance. So after a little bit of yelling and a whole lot of cursing, they offered ro give me a new one. I politely told them to shove it up their a$$. The last thing I need is a new set of probs. :bs

Anyway thought you guys might like to know.

Im off to buy an Aston Martin DB9.
 

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I thought you might also like to see what an XLR looks like when its been raped. It was so nice of them to cover my old engine in a black cloth, as if they were morning its demise. You can see the new engine in the crate, funny thing though, that was the second one they sent, apparently they lost the first one in transit. :bs How do you loose a thing like an engine in transit.

I almost cried. :cry
 

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I can see why your mad, but does loose your reasoning man. A new XLR would be the way to go. I don't know an auto maker anywhere in the world that hasn't put out a lemon or two..............Even Astin Martin. But I guess you would rather just tear down the XLR rather than use some common sense.



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I thought you might also like to see what an XLR looks like when its been raped. It was so nice of them to cover my old engine in a black cloth, as if they were morning its demise. You can see the new engine in the crate, funny thing though, that was the second one they sent, apparently they lost the first one in transit. :bs How do you loose a thing like an engine in transit.

I almost cried. :cry
 

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In November 2004 I purchased a "slightly used" beautiful Black XLR. I soon found that it had spent most of it's life in the dealership for one problem or another. Nothing really serious but certainly annoying. Worst problem was when neither door would open.
Upon being fed up with this car I called the manager of the dealership and requested an appointment.
After venting all my problems and mentioning the lemon laws, a new XLR was sold to me at a real bargain price. I mean cost less holdbacks less some rebates etc.
I am thoroughly in love with the new XLR and wouldn't trade for an Aston Martin or just about anything else.

Give Cadillac another chance. You'll be pleasantly supprised. :flag
 

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I certainly don't blame you for not wishing to provide GM with any more of your money or loyalty if they treated you as you report. I would move on to another car too. Afterall, the XLR is just a car, not my first one nor my last.

What I don't understand though is why you are now moving up to a DB9 from an XLR. They are not in the same league by any stretch of the imagination. If pricing wasn't an option, why did you settle on an XLR in the first place?

We chose the XLR since we were Allante owners (three of them over the years) and wanted to see if GM had learned anything from the Allante, and it seems they did.
 
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Jack,
I totally agree with you. Everyone knows you can get a bad spouse once in a while, so would you keep him/her or get a new one for free?

Was this experience at Allen Cadillac in Orange County? I've been having truble before my accident with my driver door not opening.
Whatever happened to keys?

I guess I'm more forgiving as an old fuddy duddy, but I am very stern when I think I'm being screwed over. I like to choose the position. http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk572YYUS
bob


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In November 2004 I purchased a "slightly used" beautiful Black XLR. I soon found that it had spent most of it's life in the dealership for one problem or another. Nothing really serious but certainly annoying. Worst problem was when neither door would open.
Upon being fed up with this car I called the manager of the dealership and requested an appointment.
After venting all my problems and mentioning the lemon laws, a new XLR was sold to me at a real bargain price. I mean cost less holdbacks less some rebates etc.
I am thoroughly in love with the new XLR and wouldn't trade for an Aston Martin or just about anything else.

Give Cadillac another chance. You'll be pleasantly supprised. :flag
 

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Hey guys, dont get me wrong, I love my XLR, its the most beautiful car on the road. But I'm just so pissed at GM. I mean fine, after all of this they did finally break down and offer me a new one at no charge. But I got close to 20k already invested in this thing and its spent more time at the dealership then in my driveway.

How much fun is it when all your friends and family see you in a different rental car every other day. I got nothing but laughs from people because I went with an american car instead of german.

I did not ask to have the car shreaded, the dealership did it cause they couldnt find the prob.

As fas as the DB9, hey it's only going to cost me $500 more per month. But if the V is what its suppose to be, I just might change my mind.
 

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Hey, If I had the $$$$$$$$$$$$, it would Astin Martin, although it would be really a close call, which to choose

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Hey guys, dont get me wrong, I love my XLR, its the most beautiful car on the road. But I'm just so pissed at GM. I mean fine, after all of this they did finally break down and offer me a new one at no charge. But I got close to 20k already invested in this thing and its spent more time at the dealership then in my driveway.

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Lemon

I can sympathise with your problems, however, don't forget that **** happens.
You could just as easily get an Aston Martin that's a lemon.
Although they're a cut above Jaguar, I'm not convinced that AM is not problem free. Until Ford bought Jaguar, their problems were legend.
If you buy the Aston Martin, can you expect the same dealer support you would receive from GM?
I have had nothing short of VIP treatment from Allen Cadillac in Laguna Niguel since the purchase of my XLR.
Things to consider.
 

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Bob....Sorry to hear you're having trouble with Allen. I am scheduled to have them install Corsa exhaust tomorrow morning and they have been super on the phone.
The dealer that bailed me out of the bad one was Symes in Pasadena. :flag
 

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Jack,
I'm sure your Corsa installation will go smoothly.
Mine was the first one Allen Cadillac did and there were no problems.

Happy listening, you're going to love it.
 

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A delta of $500/month?

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As fas as the DB9, hey it's only going to cost me $500 more per month. But if the V is what its suppose to be, I just might change my mind.
Since I don't finance my toys, I'm having trouble with that delta of $500/month.

With the MSRP being almost double between the XLR and the $165,000 DB-9 Volante (you have to compare convertibles), aviator is not biting.

The trouble with comparing monthly payment, is that one can be tricked with "residual". If a dealer tells you the car has a higher residual, run away! You trade low payments for being seriously upside down.

Consider the following, given a constant 50% residual for 36 months - neglecting interest and applying 8% sales tax:

XLR-V $95K msrp + $7.6k sales tax = $102.6K. Take $102.6K-$47.5 residual = $55.1K (total cost for 36 months). That amount over 36 months is $1530/mo.

DB-9 $165Kmsrp + $13.2k sales tax = $178.2k. Take $178.2- $82.5 residual = $95.7K (Total cost for 36 months) Divide by 36 = $2,658/mo. OK you can knock $15k off if you want to sacrifice the convertible. But my comparision is apples and apples.

My calculus shows the delta at $2658-$1530 = $1,128 - just about what you would expect. The difference in sales tax alone is $155/mo!

Y'see, I'm an engineer, and I always ask if an answer is reasonable.

So whoever is telling you $500/mo difference, my advice is call BS on that. There are ten zillion monthly payment tricks, but don't EVER compare deals based on that. Its what the dealer WANTS you to do.

I'm in agreement with the other guys. You got a lemon. Ours aren't. Why not leverage your "political capital" and get a best price on the XLR-V?
 
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Yes, jack it is Allen Cadillac. The Allens have treated me really swell, its just the guy running the crash shack in the back that is trying to double talk me.....Not having any of that nor will Scott Allen or Allen the general manager They will see that I get fair treatment, I have no doubt.
Bob I'll never get to BG on this thing.


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I'm anxious....Is this where your XLR is being fixed? If so, i'll try to take a peek :flag
 

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I purchased it brand new from Lou Ehllers Cadillac in Beverly Hills CA. It's a 2004 and had 9 miles on it at the time of purchase.

Caly ---- I spotted the totaled XLR at a insurance lot. It was already sold for $10,900.

As far as the DB9... I was quoted $1,900 per month for 48 months with tax that’s about $2,050. With 20k down the price comes to $1,600 per month plus tax $1,730. The sticker price is $147,000 and no I don’t want the convertible. And if they are misleading me, than they don’t have a sale.

I'm paying roughly $1,100 per month with tax for the XLR with nothing down.

A Porsche GT3 sticker price $126,000 is $1,400 per month plus tax with nothing down. A Porsche 911 still hold the record for highest resale value, and that directly affects the leasing price.

And yes the residual value makes a big difference in the lease price.

XLR - 48 months - 48%
DB9 - 48 months - 56%
GT3 - 48 months - 59%

As far as the V goes, cadillac said I have to wait in line just like everyone else. The dealership though did offer me the first black on black they receive at sticker price, but that's only if I choose not to lemon mine. I need to test drive the V before I can make any decision on this matter. Without dramatic improvement in handeling and quality, I doubt I will buy it. Lou Ehllers said that the first ones they will receive will be sometime in January of 06.
 
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Way to much information

Way to much information



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I purchased it brand new from Lou Ehllers Cadillac in Beverly Hills CA. It's a 2004 and had 9 miles on it at the time of purchase..
 
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