So I was having the hardtop pause issue and dealer told me it was the battery. Replaced the battery and it seems to resolve the issue. Now my issue is the trunk will sometimes go up and the hydraulic does not stop oepning. I have to press the trunk switch again to shut it off. Help please...

So I was having the hardtop pause issue and dealer told me it was the battery. Replaced the battery and it seems to resolve the issue. Now my issue is the trunk will sometimes go up and the hydraulic does not stop oepning. I have to press the trunk switch again to shut it off. Help please...

Mine did the exact same thing. Position sensor on the trunk.

Mine did the exact same thing. Position sensor on the trunk.

Did you perform the work yourself? If so, how can this be done? I hate going to the dealer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Did you perform the work yourself? If so, how can this be done? I hate going to the dealer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Trunk position sensor change is about a 10 minute job. all 4 sensors are the same, they cost $42 wholesale, $81 retail. The bad part is after you change it you need a Tech2 and someone to use it to recalibrate the top so your almost stuck with the dealer.

Ok... So I think I followed all the instructions on the manual to get the top stowed away manually. I made sure to close the hydraulic release (clockwise) and then cycled to close. Now my hydraulic pump doesn't want to pump. When the trunk open button is pressed it just unlocks and doesn't make any other noises as if it is operating. Can someone tell me if the trunk has to somehow be re-indexed? The sun is finally out here in Washington state and I am the only convertable with it's top up. Thanks in advance.

I have to agree about the sunshine in WA this past weekend. I drove from Tacoma to the Semiamoo Resort near the Canadian border and it was perfect for top-down driving. I even saw an XLR on I-5 outside of Bellingham --my first sighting in over a year!

As for the top, it doesn't have to re-index like the windows. The FTC module records its up/down position with each cycle. Double-check your hydraulic line-up and try opening the trunk using the Top Control Switch, fobs, left-side dash switch and rear switch. If the pump still doesn't respond, check all related fuses (# 22, 32 & 44).

CCC :seeya

Ok... So I think I followed all the instructions on the manual to get the top stowed away manually. I made sure to close the hydraulic release (clockwise) and then cycled to close. Now my hydraulic pump doesn't want to pump. When the trunk open button is pressed it just unlocks and doesn't make any other noises as if it is operating. Can someone tell me if the trunk has to somehow be re-indexed? The sun is finally out here in Washington state and I am the only convertable with it's top up. Thanks in advance.

Hey m8 your just across the boarder from me Im up here in Vancouver and it is lovely weather! I was going to drop my top yesterday but with 90F here I figured I better run the A/C esp since the GF dressed up lol.

Anyways I would check the fuses also and also have your car running when you operate the top since it does draw huge amounts of volts it can seriously start causing issues with the CPU. Also you made sure your Hydraulic Fluid is at the correct level? Since if it is low the trunk will not work as there is not enough pressure to lift it.

So I am back at this. I have searched around and not found anything specific to all my issues. So here goes, my hard top was acting up and the trunk would not close so I opened up the release valve. Got home and manually opened and closed the top. Now the top is up and the release valve closed. Now the hydraulic pump does not make any noise. I tried a few things: opening using the FOB, Top Control and inside trunk button and still nothing. I checked all the related fuses, reseated the plugs in the leftside trunk near the pump and checked the level of the hydraulic fluid and all are good. Also checked for leaks and nothing apperant. The hoses are also in good condition. I even went as far as to open and close the trunk by hand to hopefully prime the pump... and nothing... Can someone please help me? I do not want to take it to the dealer. Theses guys do not know what they are doing. They supposedly fixed it last time. Thanks in advance.

So I am still in denile that my top is not working. Yesterday I tried to stow the top manually (following the manual of coarse) and found that when I got to the part where the fron tonneu is supposed to close, the mid section did not go down all the way. I see the long metal piece touching the roof top so I did not force it down. Can someone tell me why the middle section of the front tonneu will not go down? It is very sunny here and I still would like to drive around with the top down. Yes, even if it is a manual process. Thanks so much in advance.

So I am still in denile that my top is not working. Yesterday I tried to stow the top manually (following the manual of coarse) and found that when I got to the part where the fron tonneu is supposed to close, the mid section did not go down all the way. I see the long metal piece touching the roof top so I did not force it down. Can someone tell me why the middle section of the front tonneu will not go down? It is very sunny here and I still would like to drive around with the top down. Yes, even if it is a manual process. Thanks so much in advance.

Not sure what you are describing. The rear windscreen section ends up upside down, with the roof the right way up folded above it. Do you need to help the rear section to swing over (rotate) too?

with the top full stowed in the trunk, the next thing (I believe) is for both tonneus to close. First the rear (trunk lid) then the front (behind the head rests). I can get the back to stow, but for some reason the front tonneu (mid section) does not stow away flat. I am not sure what is causing it to not sit flat.

Are you manipulating the Front Tonneau over center link from between the seats with the storage compartment removed? If the Front Tonneau doesn't operate easily, keep working on the over center link. Pictures are in your owner's manual.
CCC

The Front tonneau operates fine, it's just when I go to close the wing down, it appears as if the roof is not down enough for the front tonneau to close down. In fact, the metal angle that is benieth it hits the roof causing it to not lay flat. Hope this helps.

Man, this is one of those classic situations where a picture really IS worth a thousand words-- as opposed to a word being worth a thousand pictures. . .

From your description, it almost sounds like two issues.

The roof not laying flat and something with wings. What do you mean by "wing"? The outside closeout panels on the Front Tonneau? Those are bungie cord-operated (very high tech) by the center close-out panel of the Front Tonneau. With the roof fully raised or stowed, operating them shouldn't be a problem. Once the over center lock is pressed, the center panle should move easily by hand.

You say the Front Tonneau operates fine; it doesn't close all the way because of the roof? That's a problem. Obviously the roof has to lay flat, since there isn't much clearance with the decklid shut to begin with.

--Incidentally, there are many posts attributed to longer-than-necessary bolts on the underside of the decklid that can contact (and scratch) the top of the roof. These threaded shafts need to be cut down and a dab of RTV or plastisol placed on the cut ends. If your roof isn't stowed flat enough, you may end up maiming it if the bolts haven't been modified. It's simple to cut them down with a Dremel tool and metal-cutting wheel.

Does your Folding Top hydraulic pump work at all now? ie: Does the rear decklid raise/lower?


--You're not in denial, since you've acknowledged the problem.
CCC

Here are some pictures (http://picasaweb.google.com/charlesvr/XTopIssues?feat=directlink)... If I am not mistaken, the roof is not seated totally flat. I am wondering if the roof latch (hooks or whatever they are called) is supposed to be open or closed or if they are open all the way. I know the roof does not touch the rubber post that is supposed to hold it up and I suspect the latch is what is holding it up. So if that is my issue, how can I get the latch all the way open? I tried torquing the allen bolt but it does not allow me to keep it locked in the open position (all the way).

Link to pictures here too:
http://picasaweb.google.com/charlesvr/XTopIssues?feat=directlink


Man, this is one of those classic situations where a picture really IS worth a thousand words-- as opposed to a word being worth a thousand pictures. . .

From your description, it almost sounds like two issues.

The roof not laying flat and something with wings. What do you mean by "wing"? The outside closeout panels on the Front Tonneau? Those are bungie cord-operated (very high tech) by the center close-out panel of the Front Tonneau. With the roof fully raised or stowed, operating them shouldn't be a problem. Once the over center lock is pressed, the center panle should move easily by hand.

You say the Front Tonneau operates fine; it doesn't close all the way because of the roof? That's a problem. Obviously the roof has to lay flat, since there isn't much clearance with the decklid shut to begin with.

--Incidentally, there are many posts attributed to longer-than-necessary bolts on the underside of the decklid that can contact (and scratch) the top of the roof. These threaded shafts need to be cut down and a dab of RTV or plastisol placed on the cut ends. If your roof isn't stowed flat enough, you may end up maiming it if the bolts haven't been modified. It's simple to cut them down with a Dremel tool and metal-cutting wheel.

Does your Folding Top hydraulic pump work at all now? ie: Does the rear decklid raise/lower?


--You're not in denial, since you've acknowledged the problem.
CCC

From looking at the pictures, it's clear your folding top isn't laying as flat as it should be. I also saw a picture of your rear decklid lowered on your (stowed) top. I would NOT recommend lowering the rear decklid unless the folding top is truly stowed as flat as it's supposed to be. Here's why:

A) If the folding top isn't fully stowed, the auto-cinching latch mechanism has to work unpaid overtime to pull the decklid hard against the top. (BAD)

B) With the longer-than-needed scews in the decklid attachment points on each side, if they aren't modified, you run a real risk of gauging the paint on your top. (REAL BAD)

As Kenny Rogers sings, "You need to know when to fold 'em and know when to hold 'em." --With the onset of the Washington rainy season beginning in three months, this might be a good time to (raise the top) and seek professional help. I'd advise taking your car back to the dealer to have the foding top checked out; there may be more than one issue going on, and you don't want to make it any worse. It isn't working nominally, and it isn't working manually either. Let us know how it goes.

CC :cheers

From looking at the pictures, it's clear your folding top isn't laying as flat as it should be. I also saw a picture of your rear decklid lowered on your (stowed) top. I would NOT recommend lowering the rear decklid unless the folding top is truly stowed as flat as it's supposed to be. Here's why:

A) If the folding top isn't fully stowed, the auto-cinching mechanism has to work unpaid overtime to pull the decklid hard against the top. (BAD)

B) With the longer-than-needed scews in the decklid attachment points on each side, if they aren't modifie, you run a real risk of gauging the paint on your top. (REAL BAD)

As Kenny Rogers sings, "You need to know when to fold 'em and know when to hold 'em." --With the onset of the Washington rainy season beginning in three months, this might be a good time to (raise the top) and seek professional help. I'd advise taking your car back to the dealer to have the foding top checked out; there may be more than one issue going on, and you don't want to make it any worse. It isn't working nominally, and it isn't working manually either. Let us know how it goes.

CC :cheers

I can tell you that ambient temps do effect the deck lid and top actions. When the temps here are 110 (F) or above, my deck lid will not lift/open. The pump runs but the deck does not lift without my hand helping it go up. The top will operate, in those temps if the engine is at 1000 revs or more, not at idle. It is slow to move in higher temps and I feel my system may require more fluid to fill it and this may be my entire problem. "The warmer the temps, the slower and less action I get from my top movement". About 50% of the time I must 'release' the top button and then 'restart' the top (up or down) process, in higher temps. Unusual for most, but an everyday thing for me.

I can tell you that ambient temps do effect the deck lid and top actions. When the temps here are 110 (F) or above, my deck lid will not lift/open. The pump runs but the deck does not lift without my hand helping it go up. The top will operate, in those temps if the engine is at 1000 revs or more, not at idle. It is slow to move in higher temps and I feel my system may require more fluid to fill it and this may be my entire problem. "The warmer the temps, the slower and less action I get from my top movement". About 50% of the time I must 'release' the top button and then 'restart' the top (up or down) process, in higher temps. Unusual for most, but an everyday thing for me.
I agree you may need more fluid in the system.

Of course I would also check those hoses before filling it.

So I have figured it out with everyone's help. The roof top clinch hooks are not opening all the way in order for the roof to stow. With enough prying power I was able to manually open the hooks and stow my roof. Is there a way to make these open all the way without me having to use herculean strenght to pry them open manually? I will definately be attempting the dealer, but not until after my vacation. I am sure to break the bank. Thanks to all!

The Clinch Hooks you're referring to are called Header Latches. They have Open and Closed position switches that are monitored by the Folding Top Control module during operation cycles. The header latches operate at just about the same time as the Front Tonneau is activated during the raise/stow sequence. The header latches should not require dosing yourself with a can of spinach to open.

Hopefully, this will be an inexpensive fix for you.

CC :cheers

You should also be aware that you are pushing against the hydrolic system which can add more pressure than it is designed for so be careful.

Thanks guys. I found out first hand yesterday how much hell I could put myself into just trying to pry apart the clinch latches in order to put my top back up. So now I cannot even enjoy a manual top down. I will have to bite the bullet and visit the dealer. This time I will take her afar and not deal with these "brokechanics" here in Olympia.

Thanks guys. I found out first hand yesterday how much hell I could put myself into just trying to pry apart the clinch latches in order to put my top back up. So now I cannot even enjoy a manual top down. I will have to bite the bullet and visit the dealer. This time I will take her afar and not deal with these "brokechanics" here in Olympia.
Sorry to hear that. Ask CC where a good dealer is up your way.

I am convinced you are more than ready for a Tech II analysis and the latest top software update.

Regards

Jerry

If you go North, McCann in Tacoma or Bremerton GMC will take good care of you. If you go to Bremerton, ask for Alex Black, and she'll take care of the rest.

CC :cheers

Yesterday I stopped at the market and when I came out to open the trunk it would not open by itself. The sun was on the car, about 112 (F). Higher temps are giving me fits with this deck lid (non) action. It all works fine in temps below 105 (F), but not above. When it's hot, the latch releases, the pump runs, but I must 'lift' the deck lid, to open it. Found no leaks and have not yet tried to 'raise hydralic fluid level'. I have not tried to operate the top in these hot conditions, but everything works correctly in 'cooler' temps.