XLR version is available next week!

XLR-V version will be approx 8 weeks
They'll be using my V to prototype so I'll keep you updated:cheers


http://volantperformance.com/

Their stuff is pretty good, they were popular with the Ford Cobra/Lightning crowd for a while until several others jumped in with units that catered to the CAI crowd. Too many of the manufacturers call their units CAI when in fact they are nothing more than an open element air cleaner mounted under the hood where there ain't much cold air to be had!

When it comes to the "V"; getting some cold air will make a huge difference since that blower is one big heat pump.

my brother had one on his CTS-V , until he wrapped it around a tree.
Fit & finish was nice and my brother swore by the added performance.
they seem to be on par with K&N, but K&N isn't interested in the XLR.
I think these guys will give the supercharger the added attention it needs.

Yea, I think K&N refers to their unit as an FIPK, whatever-the-hell that means. You can't believe the difference it really makes to that supercharger. When my 03 Cobra was bone stock, it had a fully enclosed air cleaner housing with a snorkel for a nose that reached into the fender well to pull colder air. The idea was good, but of course they build for all conditions and need to worry about water intake. I now have a ram air line that mounts just under the bumper to pull air from in front of the car. It makes a huge difference, especially in weather like today (109 here today).

Here you go, old photos but my first attempt to improve on the stock air box. The open filter is now enclosed and the hole in the fender which is right along side of it is fitted with a flex tube that runs to the front of the car.

And another, attached the wrong one.

Mike, are you going to ask them to dyno the car before and after? I'm in if you like the application
Bob


XLR version is available next week!

XLR-V version will be approx 8 weeks
They'll be using my V to prototype so I'll keep you updated:cheers


http://volantperformance.com/

Great news! Finally someone reputable is giving us candy!

Good morning. Please keep me informed. I just installed the volant on my Escalade Ext and I'm a believer!

my car goes in wednesday, after the hiloday weekend. I'll be off for 5 days, so I didn't want to be without it. Production turnaround is 4 weeks after that.
The XLR version should be available now

I had an o3 vette convertible and did the volant cold air, borla long tube headers, high flow cats and basani exhaust and the entire systme was wonderful. increaed mileage and power, sounded great, and gave me a real dyno 350 ponies at the rear wheels. no much compared to the new vettes I know, but I loved it. Traded the vette for the xlr in order to have a ride that my wife, who has cervical spine problems, could tolerate. the service manager just called me on my car (see haunted yesterday) and wanted to know which of the warnings went off first when the entire system crashed. the answer was they all did simultaneously. I faxed him inofo from the previous threads and replies that you were all so kind to give, I also gave the GM of the dealership notice under the terms of the warranty of my dissatisfaction.

do you know the part #. As of today the xlr is not listed in Volant.

do you know the part #. As of today the xlr is not listed in Volant.

need to call them

909 476 7225

R&D started yesterday at Volant.....got my fingers crossed
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/xlrdrivetrain2.jpg

you guys better appreciate the sacrafice!:cry

Hey, I think they swapped out your motor..............and your tires and wheels - and everything in between.

Looks like Barney O'Fields winning car at Indianapolis back around the time dirt was invented.
I guess you'll get yours for free which of course you should, and I do thank you for your sacrifice.
Why don't you have all your aluminum ground down and polished while you have the top down. This seems to be the latest thing according to the GM at Allen.
Bob

they're going to reinstall my stock mufflers to properly tune for sound and air flow rather than match to my Borlas....after all, they're not doing this project for me:( They will do before and after dynos too. Very impressive opperation.

Guess your not going to make the Signal Hill Rally this Saturday with the V. The dyno is what I'm really intersted in and have my fingers crossed so I can out run helo's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OK, that was a joke

R&D started yesterday at Volant.....got my fingers crossed
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/xlrdrivetrain2.jpg

you guys better appreciate the sacrafice!:cry

This was posted for entertainment and not intended to mislead anyone!!
My apologies Bob:leaving

Mike,
I thought it was a great joke, I was just joking back. It's east coast humor that sometimes gets taken wrong. I'm really easy when it comes to having the wool pulled over my eyes. I don't think I was the only one that was fooled.
bob

I made the call as suggested in an earlier post to Tony Quezada. When I asked for him, I was actually handed off to a fellow named Daniel. He then directed me to call a dealer and talk to Scott. The number was 951-684-8483. I have not made this call yet as I am worried as to why Volant does not have the intake listed on their web site. Daniel gave me a part number and an approximate price. Has anyone gone this route and everything turned out OK? Let me know as I have been waiting for this intake to come out.

Mike (1_XLR) is going to have this information when he takes his V in for his unit. I was sort of hoping we could deal with Volant but we may have to buy from dealers. I guess we locals could always go out to Rancho Cucamonga and do a walk-in.

I just got off the phone with Advantage Performance which is the number that Volant gave me to call to order the air intake for my XLR. I talked to a real nice guy, Gregg. When I asked for Scott, Greg told me that Scott was the owner but that he, Greg, could help me. I tried to order the intake so Greg called Volant to get it added to his next order from them. They told him that the intakes were not finished and that it would be a couple of weeks before they were. This is not for the "V", just the standard XLR. I am not sure what is going on. From past posts, I thought the standard XLR intake was ready to go! Maybe that is why it is not on Volant's web site yet. Anyway, the guy at Advantage told me that he would call me when they were available. I'll post when they call me back.

talked to Volant yesterday and the molds are in and ready but they are tied up with other projects and could not give me any solid time frame. We don't seem to be high on the priority list, understandably so. I think the XLR/V venture is more for prestige than as a cash cow from a business stand point.

That might be in our flavor that they just want the prestige. Might not cost us to much.

I don't want to look like a dumb ass :jester here but is this just a dressed up air intake box/cover or does it do more then that?

In different posts some call it a cold air intake but in others it sounds like it maybe just a fancy looking air intake cover.

Is there some kind of plumbing that takes cold air into you intake? Does help out that much? Do you have to have a different exhaust to make it work better?

Just asking....:thumbs

motorboat

I don't want to look like a dumb ass :jester here but is this just a dressed up air intake box/cover or does it do more then that?

In different posts some call it a cold air intake but in others it sounds like it maybe just a fancy looking air intake cover.

Is there some kind of plumbing that takes cold air into you intake? Does help out that much? Do you have to have a different exhaust to make it work better?

Just asking....:thumbs

motorboat

good question actually. some of these air intake systems are of no help and are actually a detriment to proformance. Volant is one of the top companies in this and the unit should add 15-18 HP. They'll be doing dynos to see exact increase.
Their air box will block off most of the upper side and the air is drawn from below rather than inside the hot engine compartment. They will also have vents on the outer sides to pull air from the fender wells. The cone shaped filter in the box also allows better air flow. This is my understanding of it anyway.....

The materials on the Volant are also better at not conducting heat helping keep the incoming air as cool as possible. Lund wanted to sell me their version which looks to me like a lot of bling, chrome and more chrome, not good for keeping the air cool. They wanted $850 installed, I told them I would wait for the Volant. they were claiming 12-14 hp improvement with theirs but I never saw a dyno sheet proving it.

Kent, Wait to see what improvement Mike gets from Volant, before and after. I think the cost will be half of what Lund charges. You won't have to go for your lungs

Does anyone have an update on the air intake from Volant for the XLR? I still haven't heard anything!

Does anyone have an update on the air intake from Volant for the XLR? I still haven't heard anything!

I was there on Tuesday and told we could expect something by the end of the month.......we'll see:nodno

Don't forget to get your car dyno'd first. This should be interesting.
Get mine back the end of this week. I wanted to take it to the Fontana track on the 23rd, but I have a problem with one of the tires that is loosing air while sitting at the shop, so that will have to take precedence. must be a valve leak. Think I mentioned that my new 20" rims have two holes, one for air in front and the other for TPM in the back. One of those must be leaking or I have a bad Pirelli P zero.
Bob

Don't forget to get your car dyno'd first. This should be interesting.
Get mine back the end of this week. I wanted to take it to the Fontana track on the 23rd, but I have a problem with one of the tires that is loosing air while sitting at the shop, so that will have to take precedence. must be a valve leak. Think I mentioned that my new 20" rims have two holes, one for air in front and the other for TPM in the back. One of those must be leaking or I have a bad Pirelli P zero.
Bob

Oh Bob, not again, now with your new 20`s rims and tires the same problem as with the last set? Is it again the right front tire?

I don`t think it`s the Pirelli, seems to be the valve!

Have a nice weekend

Hans

Yea, I think this is something different. I'll get it fixed before I put it on the road again.
BobOh Bob, not again, now with your new 20`s rims and tires the same problem as with the last set? Is it again the right front tire?

I don`t think it`s the Pirelli, seems to be the valve!

Have a nice weekend

Hans

Last post regarding Volant air intake was several months ago......Are they available yet and do the dyno tests support the claim af additional HP?:flag

This is one for Mike, but he has chide away from answering that question. Don't know why............Their site shows no air cooler for any XLR's, and they don't answer either.
Bob

they have not finished this yet and I'm having trouble getting any response from them....
excusses like SEMA show, vacations, etc. .....but I'll keep trying

Don't forget Christmas AKA the holidays and New Year and then some more holidays, Sima, vacations and on & on. What a poor excuse for a company.

got an appointment for Tuesday to install the CAI and do the dynos,
they have been trying to reach me, but I've been on vacation for the last 3 weeks.
hope to have more good news by the end of the week

We're anxious, Mike:thumbs

Good luck! BTW- Please try to get us an update on the CAI for the base XLR too.

got an appointment for Tuesday to install the CAI and do the dynos,
they have been trying to reach me, but I've been on vacation for the last 3 weeks.
hope to have more good news by the end of the week

Any update on the CAI installation?

Delayed again:banghead

Mike,
I Just came from Volant, please check your personal e-mails.
Guys/Gals,
I'm fortunate enough to live within 50 miles of Volants factory/shop, and drove over today. Although I wasn't asked not to talk about the XLR-V air/filter setup that they are making, I got the instinct impression not to repeat what I was told. All I'm going to say is,it will be available very very soon. I'm also going to leave this information up to Mike (1_XLR) to donate to the forum when it becomes available, since he put his car up for the prototype..
Bob
Delayed again:banghead

Well, at last, the Volant CAI is done and ready for both the XLR and XLR-V!!!
XLR Forum members can purchase direct from Volant for a limited time
Be sure to mention the XLR Forum for a 10% discount.
909-476-7225 ask for King.

you can find pictures of the XLR unit on their website... the V is similar, but larger
http://volantperformance.com
I'll try to post some pictures of my V this week.

According to Volant, the dyno tests show a 12- 15 HP gain.
Rainy weather has kept me from doing much of my own "testing",
but there is defintly a better throttle response....and it looks great too.
I'll follow-up with any noticable power increase or gas milage improvments

XLR Forum members can purchase direct from Volant for a limited time
Be sure to mention the XLR Forum for a 10% discount.


How much is it?

Mike,:cheers
Congradulations on your patience. I probably would have chewed off my hand by now. I called and left a message for King, since he and I had talked a little more than a week ago concerning your vehicle. He had offered to do mine when he completed yours.
According to him it would take about a half hour to install, so I guess I can wait for it.
Any clue as to their pricing?
Bob

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/3-1-07003.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/3-1-07006.jpg

Are those oiled or dry filters?

Are those oiled or dry filters?

oiled

oiled

Any idea on how much it costs?

Any idea on how much it costs?

call them, they didn't have it worked out yet, but expect about $500.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/3-1-07003.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/3-1-07006.jpg

Mike,
it really looks :cool , are these pictures from your V? If yes, does it any change in engine sound?

I`m pretty sure what Bob is buying next for his V:lol

Hans

Mike,
it really looks :cool , are these pictures from your V? If yes, does it any change in engine sound?

I`m pretty sure what Bob is buying next for his V:lol

Hans

yes it did change the sound. seems to be more mellow and difiantly killed some of the drone I had.....both a good thing...... but the CAI was designed with my stock mufflers installed and I didn't here it until my Borlas were reinstalled, so I don't know if it will change the sound for others. You should get one too....I'm sure they will ship anywhere and it's an easy install.

Hans,
I'm on the phone with Volant now and will have this unit in the car by the first of the week. If you would like the XLR version of this product, let me know and I can make the deal for you through your normal delivery channel.
The price is $570 for the V, but I would assume about the same for the XLR standard model. 10% off that figure for the forum members, so it should be $500.
I think they did a fantastic job and it really looks great. That also will make me have about 460 HP..........that's not to shabby.
hasta la Volant
Bob



Mike,
it really looks :cool , are these pictures from your V? If yes, does it any change in engine sound?

I`m pretty sure what Bob is buying next for his V:lol

Hans

Nice looking job Mike. Your right on target on the price. Talked to them today. Will have one by next week.
$570 with 10% discount for forum members for a short time comes to $500. That's not bad for 14 HP and and a good looking air intake.
Thanks for keeping us apprised.
Bob


yes it did change the sound. seems to be more mellow and difiantly killed some of the drone I had.....both a good thing...... but the CAI was designed with my stock mufflers installed and I didn't here it until my Borlas were reinstalled, so I don't know if it will change the sound for others. You should get one too....I'm sure they will ship anywhere and it's an easy install.

Hans,
I'm on the phone with Volant now and will have this unit in the car by the first of the week. If you would like the XLR version of this product, let me know and I can make the deal for you through your normal delivery channel.
The price is $570 for the V, but I would assume about the same for the XLR standard model. 10% off that figure for the forum members, so it should be $500.
I think they did a fantastic job and it really looks great. That also will make me have about 460 HP..........that's not to shabby.
hasta la Volant
Bob

I was right:thumbs :thumbs :thumbs :thumbs

when you have it installed let me know what you think about it - but if Mike say it`s great, it is GREAT:yesnod

BTW when do the filters have to be replaced (after how many miles)?

Hans

I haven't gotten to that question yet, but I would expect once a year. Let me know if you want one.
BobI was right:thumbs :thumbs :thumbs :thumbs

when you have it installed let me know what you think about it - but if Mike say it`s great, it is GREAT:yesnod

BTW when do the filters have to be replaced (after how many miles)?

Hans

Come on Jack, I'll race you to Volants in Fontana to get our CAI.Last post regarding Volant air intake was several months ago......Are they available yet and do the dyno tests support the claim af additional HP?:flag

I
BTW when do the filters have to be replaced (after how many miles)?

Hans

you don't replace these filters....you clean and oil them as needed

http://volantperformance.com/filter_kit.asp

Bob,
GM-Europe maybe get about 10 XLR V`s as export model here to Germany and if they really do I`ll get one out of this 10.
They give me a final answer to 15 th this month what would be in 2 weeks.

If this V`s don`t come here I think I need a VOLANT but I let you know!

Did your finger got better now? - Bri told me!

Hans

That`s even better than replacement!!!!

Thank you

Hans

Hans, & fellow members
A couple of these pics, mike has already put up, but I have a few thoughts and ideas to add to this nice setup.
I had my CAI installed today at Volant. Because I had shown an interest prior to today they offered to put mine in for $500 CASH. They will only due group buys at their authorized location for 10% off.They do have authorized companies to install for them.
Lund Cadillac in Phoenix
VAC in Riverside
I'm not sure but I thought they said Allen Cadillac in Laguna Niguel, CA
They will be more than happy to direct you to these companies or others in mid America or the East coast.
The 2004-2007 XLR number is 25846150
The 2006-V through 2007-V is 25846151
They are both available

The following application is for the V only. There is a matting behind the grill that is covering a slot which my pics show. They agreed with me and suggested cutting the matting at the slash mark inside the grill and removing the small piece to add more direct air flow directly into the filters. Remove the four star screws on top of grill and gently pull the top of the grill out. Cut the matting at the slash mark and pop the four plastic push pins (for the lack of a better name) Remove the two pieces of matting and you will find a slotted hole in front of the filters. You can actually save these two pieces if you are paranoid about GM's warranty.
This unit is very easy to install if you are the slightest at ease with a star screw driver, sheet rock knife and a flat bladed screw driver.
Here are the pics

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/standby7/airaccess.jpg

This is the air hole behind the matting on all XLR & XRL-V's
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/standby7/Grillaccess.jpg
Pulling the grill forward to cut the matting & remove it
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/standby7/removedmattingonengine.jpg

Two pieces of matting removed setting on engine

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/standby7/Filterandairaccess.jpg

View of air hole after removing matting

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/standby7/Volantinstall.jpg
Finished product
Any questions, feel free to ask
Bob
BTW, I have two K&N filters for the old CAI XLR-V with only 9,000 miles if anyone wants to pay for the shipping. They where over $100 bucks
That`s even better than replacement!!!!

Thank you

Hans

Hi Bob,
didn`t you say you`ll install it early next week????? But I know how fast you are:lol

I like to hear the impressions from you about your new VOLANT:yesnod

Have a nice weekend

Hans

This would really be cool. I felt so bad for you that you couldn't get a V. I won't know about the finger until I go to a dermotologist in a couple of weeks. Doesn't look to bad today, just a little peeling. I keep a moisturizer on it.
BobBob,
GM-Europe maybe get about 10 XLR V`s as export model here to Germany and if they really do I`ll get one out of this 10.
They give me a final answer to 15 th this month what would be in 2 weeks.

If this V`s don`t come here I think I need a VOLANT but I let you know!

Did your finger got better now? - Bri told me!

Hans

Mike, did you check out that flap in front of the cones?

Mike, did you check out that flap in front of the cones?

no...car's at home today....and some of us still work for a livin:lol

Some of us have a daily runner, but some of us don't. Well I have a van for work :cheers
Took on a big black Bentley today with 500 plus and when we got pulled over by a off duty cop he told me he was the guy that lost the vehicle that got cut in half in Malibu. Also told me he got off the pedal at 60 but I was past him at 15, so I guess he would be considered a poor looser. For some reason my tires broke loose. That has never happened before. Maybe it's the extra HP from the Volant.

OH Yea, the guy with the badge was cool and just wanted to make sure us old farts had a license to be driving that way. Actually we hardly went over the speed limit.

no...car's at home today....and some of us still work for a livin:lol

Did you check out those inner flaps I showed on the forum?that's OK Bob.....by 2008 my "06 should be up to 550HP!!:reddevil

Mike,
Please check out my pics showing me pulling the grille away. They never put the long black plastic piece back on when they where finished.......Look at yours and then look at mine. They broke some snaps off when removing it and thought I wouldn't notice. I'm pricing it tomorrow at Tustin and then going out there and demanding they pay for a new one. Boy am I pissed.that's OK Bob.....by 2008 my "06 should be up to 550HP!!:reddevil

I can't tell what 'long black plastic piece' your refering to and haven't had a chance to check mine out. this must be from cutting out the rubber mat?

If you look at your first picture, it shows a black piece of plastic held down by plastic snap screws. this runs from fender to fender and covers the star bolts that hold the top of the grill in place, it is also notched out where the hood latches. it's sort of a finishing peice to make that area look good.
They had to remove this in order to get the filters on and in doing so, broke all the snap screws off and I had to pick the broken pieices out of the holes. God only knows what they did with that finishing peice, because they never replaced it. I will find out in about 2 hours.
They also never answered my e-mail concerning this.
Bob

I can't tell what 'long black plastic piece' your refering to and haven't had a chance to check mine out. this must be from cutting out the rubber mat?

OK now I got it, I needed to look at MY picture, not yours. That is from removing the matting, which they didn't do to mine, so they never took mine apart.
I was wondering what that S-242 was on your car....that should be covered.

Mike,
Went to Volant today and they refused to acknowledge taking off that shield or breaking it. I showed them the plastic pieces that where still in the retainer holes and they tried to tell me I removed it. Begrudgingly they gave me the $40.00 to replace it.
If this would have been my company I would have asked, "what would satisfy you to cover your expenses". My answer would have been the $40.00 plus gas and tolls, not to mention the $400 I make a day at work. I guess my answer really would have been $500.
BTW, I ordered the piece and have the plastic screws and will have it back on by next week. They will not get very good press from me from now on.
Even Hans noticed the difference between your application and mine. Hans would call them real dummkopfs. All I can say is it was a nice day for a ride and the top down.
Bob

OK now I got it, I needed to look at MY picture, not yours. That is from removing the matting, which they didn't do to mine, so they never took mine apart.
I was wondering what that S-242 was on your car....that should be covered.

Mike,
If you want to remove all the matting which I've done now, you will have to remove 6 plastic hold downs on that peice they broke, undo the four torch bolts and move the top of the grill forward. there are 6 plastic hold downs holding it in place. If you can gently remove 6 of the 12 hold downs, you will have enough to put back in the top peice when your done. I'm getting tons more air into the filters. I would think this is a rain guard of some kind, but since we don't get liquid sunshine very often, it's of no concern. OK now I got it, I needed to look at MY picture, not yours. That is from removing the matting, which they didn't do to mine, so they never took mine apart.
I was wondering what that S-242 was on your car....that should be covered.

I've been monitoring the dialogue about removing the matting behind the grill and am confused about what's really involved in doing so. But my question is this: can't you just cut a hole in the matting to let the air?

Mike,
If you want to remove all the matting which I've done now, you will have to remove 6 plastic hold downs on that peice they broke, undo the four torch bolts and move the top of the grill forward. there are 6 plastic hold downs holding it in place. If you can gently remove 6 of the 12 hold downs, you will have enough to put back in the top peice when your done. I'm getting tons more air into the filters. I would think this is a rain guard of some kind, but since we don't get liquid sunshine very often, it's of no concern.

I don't think I want to be sucking rain directly into these cones.
Just like with the standard XLR, the front grills are designed for very minimal air flow, that may be part of the reason.

Yes you can, but the matting has a break point on both sides, you just need to finish the cut and then pull both sides out being held by two fasteners on each side. I realized today that by removing all the matting, you can get air from the lower grill also up through the middle. Mine is completely out now.
Like I explained to Mike, take the plastic peice off that covers the screws for the grill. There are 6 fasteners and they probably will break, so have some fasteners on hand so you can put the plastic cover back on. Remove the 4 tork screws/bolts and then pull the top of the grill toward you to get your hand in to remove the matting. As you can see Mike is concerned about the weather getting to the cones. This is for a V only, I have no idea what to do for the XLR.I've been monitoring the dialogue about removing the matting behind the grill and am confused about what's really involved in doing so. But my question is this: can't you just cut a hole in the matting to let the air?

This is an interesting idea about providing a better source of intake air for the x and I have one question. Other than Volant claiming that there is a 15 hp increase in output has anyone actually had their car dyno'd before and after installation?

This is an interesting idea about providing a better source of intake air for the x and I have one question. Other than Volant claiming that there is a 15 hp increase in output has anyone actually had their car dyno'd before and after installation?

I have the dynos volant did on my car showing 13-14 increase
I'll post them when I can get them scanned

The D3 folks have published their dyno #'s for their ECU and intake:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-xlr-v-series-forum/101156-d3-products-tested-dyno.html

When I contacted them, they said that the ECU is ready to ship now. The stage 1 and 2 intakes will ship the first part of april.

The D3 folks have published their dyno #'s for their ECU and intake:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-xlr-v-series-forum/101156-d3-products-tested-dyno.html

When I contacted them, they said that the ECU is ready to ship now. The stage 1 and 2 intakes will ship the first part of april.


The D3 stage 1 Air Intake, similar to the Volant unit, also shows 14hp gain.
The 26hp gain from the ECU is very impressive
Did they quote any prices?

After removing the padding that blocked the holes in front of the Cold air intake, I have found that over 50 mph it acts like ram air and has a noticeable difference in power. I'm planning on removing the shroud under the small grill from under the car to get more air into the filters too. A Corvette owner showed me what to do and said that with all these removed, I should pick up about 23 to HP. Surprisingly simple to pick up extra HP with little effort. I would love to get is Borla exhaust if I could keep my baffles. His car sounds like a funny car.The D3 stage 1 Air Intake, similar to the Volant unit, also shows 14hp gain.
The 26hp gain from the ECU is very impressive
Did they quote any prices?

Bob:

I cut out the batting from the holes behind the grill that were already in place like you suggested and yes, I do think it makes a definite difference in airflow and engine temperature.

If you can, please share information (and hopefully some pictures) regarding removing the batting and any other airflow modifications you make on the lower front of the car.

One way or another we'll get the total hp up over 500 - - not that we'll be able to control it.

Chuck

Chuck,
On page 8 of this thread Mike has a picture posted of the first installation by Volant. The first picture shows a long piece of shiny plastic which covers the top of the raditor in front of the Volant filters and top of the grill.

This piece is held on with 6 plastic retainers that will probably break when you remove this. These retainers can be bought very cheaply at any auto store or a little more expensive at your dealer.

On page 11 are my pictures that I posted showing the area with that plastic piece removed. One of the pics show me holding the grill forward after removing 4 screws from the top of the grill.

inside this area is the matting. Pop six plastic retainers and remove the matting. Now you have direct air flow into the filters, or into the factory installed twin box area that hold the filters. This will make this system act like ram-air.

On my next day off I will check out the matting under the lower grill and see if this will improve more air flow into the filter area and will take pictures and post them, whether I decide to remove the matting or not. The only reason I wouldn't remove this matting is if I determine it will change the air flow toward the tranny which on my 04 was very hot. My 06 console is no where near the heat of my 04.
Bob.....standby for pics this week.Bob:

I cut out the batting from the holes behind the grill that were already in place like you suggested and yes, I do think it makes a definite difference in airflow and engine temperature.

If you can, please share information (and hopefully some pictures) regarding removing the batting and any other airflow modifications you make on the lower front of the car.

One way or another we'll get the total hp up over 500 - - not that we'll be able to control it.

Chuck

Hey Bob.......

My air intake fell off at the C-clamp rendering the car inoperable!
I asked Volant about this when they installed it and of course they swore it would never happen. Two filters extended out like that with no support, it was only a matter of time. The rubber sleve will eventually loose shape as well. I also noticed some wear on the plastic tube from rubbing on the hood latch. Anyway, check it out, if you, or anyone else, can think of a better way to support this, let me know. In the meantime, carry a screwdriver!



http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/Volantinstall.jpg

My air intake fell off at the C-clamp rendering the car inoperable!

I'm waiting for the D3 stage2 unit instead... :)

I'm waiting for the D3 stage2 unit instead... :)

The D3 unit appears to be designed the same way.
They'll need to address the same issue.

The D3 unit appears to be designed the same way.
They'll need to address the same issue.

I agree that it looks similar, but since they're replacing the runner pipes as well it seems to me that they have resized, relocated, and re-angled the coupling from this photo:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/ctd3rnd/IMG_1834.jpg

I agree that it looks similar, but since they're replacing the runner pipes as well it seems to me that they have resized, relocated, and re-angled the coupling from this photo:

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actually just the opposite, in replacing the running pipes, they will need to be supported as well. It can't just rest on the front cross member. The stock running pipe is stationary.

actually just the opposite, in replacing the running pipes, they will need to be supported as well. It can't just rest on the front cross member. The stock running pipe is stationary.

Hmm.

I wonder what D3 is going to do about that....

Mike, would this have anything to do with my car not starting and having to be flatbedded to Allen Cadillac (don't ask).
They said it's my fuel module and had to drop my gas tank and because I made a few mods on my exhaust and it was tack welded at a joint they are going to charge me $300 dollars to cut and put it back together.
Now I'm thinking I should ask them to look at the Volant to see if it's loose.
Why would it not start with an air cleaner off?
Doesn't make sense to me.
BobHey Bob.......

My air intake fell off at the C-clamp rendering the car inoperable!
I asked Volant about this when they installed it and of course they swore it would never happen. Two filters extended out like that with no support, it was only a matter of time. The rubber sleve will eventually loose shape as well. I also noticed some wear on the plastic tube from rubbing on the hood latch. Anyway, check it out, if you, or anyone else, can think of a better way to support this, let me know. In the meantime, carry a screwdriver!



http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/Volantinstall.jpg

Mike, would this have anything to do with my car not starting and having to be flatbedded to Allen Cadillac (don't ask).
They said it's my fuel module and had to drop my gas tank and because I made a few mods on my exhaust and it was tack welded at a joint they are going to charge me $300 dollars to cut and put it back together.
Now I'm thinking I should ask them to look at the Volant to see if it's loose.
Why would it not start with an air cleaner off?
Doesn't make sense to me.
Bob

Allen Cadillac?:glol
Anyway.....dosen't sound as though it has anything to do with the problem you're having, so I wouldn't give Allen any excusses.
Without the air filter it will start, just won't run...acts similar to running out of gas.

Mike,
I realized I made a big mistake when I told On Star to take it to Allen, but the damage was done.
I asked the mechanic after a hour and a half was he having any luck. He said, "nope". I waited about 2 minutes for him to maybe say something else and asked, will I have it by five. "Nope".
My advise tells me because I had one exhaust joint slid back to show more tips (yes I said tips) and had it spot welded because the bracket wouldn't hold it anymore. Allen wants $300 to drop the exhaust because I had it welded. I told them that was excessive and was told, "that's the price, do I want it done?".
I said OK, but what if you drop the tank and it didn't need to be dropped? His answer......."you still have to pay."
Damn...........I'm really mad at myself for going to Allen. The module won't be here before Monday or Tuesday probably. (Michigan item) Don't they stock anything on this coast?
When i start it, it lights and then when you try to give it any gas it flames out.............sounds like what you're talking about.
Bob
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Allen Cadillac?:glol
Anyway.....dosen't sound as though it has anything to do with the problem you're having, so I wouldn't give Allen any excusses.
Without the air filter it will start, just won't run...acts similar to running out of gas.







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A quick observation--can't you drill a hole or remove one of the screws on the support that the twin air cleaners are resting on and then feed one of the large "Zip" ties around the air cleaner and thru the holes on each side? those things will hold just about anythiing.

Also I wonder if K&N makes the same fileters but with better flow characteristics.

I have the K&N filters & the old GM CAI stored away in case I have to replace it to get something warranted. These replace the GM ones, but 6 months ago they didn't have the cones, nor do they usually offer the cones. I agree with you that a screw here or there or a zip tie fashioned nicely will take the worry out of engine failure.
I told my adviser this morning to check my CIA to see if it was loose and causing my failure, but on a good note I have not heard from him again today. I will have a new gas tank and fuel module installed this Monday or Tuesday, hopefully curring my engine failure.
Bob A quick observation--can't you drill a hole or remove one of the screws on the support that the twin air cleaners are resting on and then feed one of the large "Zip" ties around the air cleaner and thru the holes on each side? those things will hold just about anythiing.

Also I wonder if K&N makes the same fileters but with better flow characteristics.

A quick observation--can't you drill a hole or remove one of the screws on the support that the twin air cleaners are resting on and then feed one of the large "Zip" ties around the air cleaner and thru the holes on each side? those things will hold just about anythiing.

Also I wonder if K&N makes the same fileters but with better flow characteristics.

Yes, the K&N is larger. Makes for a tight fit.

Is that chrome plated plastic or metal chrome plated? If it's metal, that will produce a lot of hot air instead of cool air.Yes, the K&N is larger. Makes for a tight fit.

It's metal, that is why I held of on this one until I found out the Volant was not a true airbox kit, with the filters open like that there is not much cooling benefit in any application, just more air.

Yea, you just might be right, but you need to remove that material that's blocking air flow behind the grill. It's made a world of difference in my V, especially after 60 MPH. It actually makes it ram-air at that point.
BobIt's metal, that is why I held of on this one until I found out the Volant was not a true airbox kit, with the filters open like that there is not much cooling benefit in any application, just more air.

Check out this eBay item: It is a Cold Air Intake for the XLR not the "V".
I am not sure if it would help out the XLR or not but it looks nice.
I may get one if no one on this forum thinks if will hurt my motor or void my warranty. :thumbs
I can't see where more air would hurt anything but you just never know....:eek

Blaise
aka motorboat

Forgot to put the URL in your post to see the item.Check out this eBay item: It is a Cold Air Intake for the XLR not the "V".
I am not sure if it would help out the XLR or not but it looks nice.
I may get one if no one on this forum thinks if will hurt my motor or void my warranty. :thumbs
I can't see where more air would hurt anything but you just never know....:eek

Blaise
aka motorboat

Blaise,
I'm not sure which one you're looking at, but you need to make sure it accounts for the air sensor.
Otherwise the CEL will stay on.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/Volantinstall-1.jpg

standby:

Did you get your car back yet and is it running to your satisfaction?? I hope so!!!!

Regards

Yes I did get it back, but they took the tires off for some unknown reason and took the hub spacers off, and the car had a violant shake above 70mph. I was headed to a location very near to the store I bought my rims and stopped in to have my tires balanced and they noticed that the hub spacers where no longer there. Easy fix, but that definately ends Allen Cadillac. I'm a Tustin fan now.
Bob

standby:

Did you get your car back yet and is it running to your satisfaction?? I hope so!!!!

Regards

I guess I had a brain fart:
Try this link...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160108434784&rd=1,1

If this one does not work then just look for 160108434784 on eBay.

Blaise

I guess I had a brain fart:
Try this link...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160108434784&rd=1,1

If this one does not work then just look for 160108434784 on eBay.

Blaise

I have no idea how this would fit under the hood of an XLR of any sort...

I emailed the guy that is selling them and asked him about the air sensor. I also asked about replacement filters.
Here is a copy of his answer to me.
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"Hello,

This chrome XLR intake installs in front of the MAF sensor, and it comes with dual conical hi-flow air filters which are washable and very durable. They have a large mouth (3.75''-4.00'' inlet diameter) for great air flow. We carry extra, replacement air filters as well. This kit comes with the chrome intake, 2 filters, connector, clamps, and instructions.

Sorry we do not have an actual photo of this particular XLR intake at this moment, but we are in the process and taking photos of our intakes installed on different makes/models/engines.

Thank you for your interest,
Have a great weekend,
southbayautosport"
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I sent him another email and I told him I would hold off till I could see some better photos of one for the XLR. :rolleyes
I also asked if he would give the XLR forum a discount. :thumbs
I also asked him if they dyno any car with the system on it.
He has not emailed me back with any more answers.
Blaise

This chrome XLR intake installs in front of the MAF sensor, and it comes with dual conical hi-flow air filters which are washable and very durable. They have a large mouth (3.75''-4.00'' inlet diameter) for great air flow.

Ya - what he describes doesn't look like the photo he posted... particularly the "dual" part... :)

These kind of company's really worry me. They seem to come to the table with only half the answers and in spite of this they make a fortune. Some people just have the Midas touch.I'm very pleased with my Volant system and it looks great too.Ya - what he describes doesn't look like the photo he posted... particularly the "dual" part... :)

Bob Thos guys don't like you too much huh???

I would REALLY enjoy going in there and asking them for my spacers back.

Yea I would do my fture business with Tusin if they are treating you well.

Regards

Bob Thos guys don't like you too much huh???

I would REALLY enjoy going in there and asking them for my spacers back.

Yea I would do my fture business with Tusin if they are treating you well.

Regards

Not me...I trhink I would be too embarrased to ask for them
and I can see how they could forget to put spacers back on a 100K automobile!:lol

Yep.............just moving on. Adios Allen Cadillac.Not me...I trhink I would be too embarrased to ask for them
and I can see how they could forget to put spacers back on a 100K automobile!:lol

Anyone Install this setup on there none V XLR??

pics?
With or without shroud?

How about the sleeve issue did anyone fix that problem with it falling off???
thanks
L

Although you asked about non-V installations I'll tell you about my experience installing one recently on my V. There are actuall two models of the CAI: part #25846150 is for the non-V and #25846151 is for the V. I ordered the latter through Auto Anything for $345. It shipped directly from Volant, but it took them about three weeks to do so because they were "out of stock".

Installation was easy and took about 1/2 hour. As far as the problem that some had early on with the unit falling off all I can say is that there is no way mine will fall off. The clamps are very heavy duty and if the connecting piece is correctly installed then it is very secure without any vibration or risk of falling off. You do, however, have to make sure that the clamps are correctly placed and fully tightened.

Although I don't have a picture to post (other earlier posts have included pictures) what I can say is that the unit looks very high quality and very cool - - both figuratively and functionally. I went with the Volant unit vs. the D3 CAI for three reasons: 1) Cost, about half of the D3, 2) Material, the D3 is made of high carbon steel and does not come coated and, therefore, is poor on heat transference and has the risk of rusting on the inside. The Volant unit is made of a light-weight poly-fiber material that is great for heat transference and doesn't need to be coated. Also, it is properly formed to maximize air flow and the filter elements are easily removed and can be cleaned (with no oiling). 3) The D3 CAI only made sense to me if I was also going to install their stage II intake pipes which run along the each side of the supercharger. While the full D3 installation can produce some very impressive performance characteristics (see "More HP" posting on the V forum), there are also some drawbacks - - e.g. the inability to use the stock engine cover.

With regard to performance, I do think the Volant unit has had a positive impact, although I have yet to have the car tuned and dynoed. In addition to installing the CAI, I've also removed the liner covering the air intake slots just in front of the CAI filters. In addition to greatly assisting air flow it also provides signigicant engine cooling. Unfortunately you can't do this on a regular XLR. I would estimated that between the two changes, together with opening up the exhaust baffles, I've gained about 25-30 HP, by we'll see. My goal after the tune is to get to at least 500 HP at the flywheel.

If nothing else, the Volant unit looks impressive, very impressive.

Thanks for the write up Pegasus.

I did mange to order it for my XLR but, 4wheelonline sent me the setup for a STS instead. I'm in the process of getting them to send me the right one but, its like pulling teeth! Now a month later, I am in desperate need of new clean filters as mine are completely fouled up.

I might just order K&N drop-ins and call it a day. Anyone in need of a brand new CAI with box intake setup for an STS?

Anyone have pics of there XLR setup?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/3-1-07003.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/pmasells/3-1-07006.jpg

Here's the pics on the V (from this thread!)
Since I reinstalled mine and tightened it down properly, I have not had any trouble. (Volant did the initial installation)

yeah I didnt ask for a V pic!

Finally, after waiting and waiting and waiting some more!

I GOT IT!

Wow what a difference I love it!
Cruising around under 2,000 rpm you cant even hear it.
And when you want to, it's there!!
Nice extra rumble under the hood.
:D

pic:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff187/lamg55/IMG_1691.jpg

**(Wolf whistle!)** :cheers

I have seen a bit of older threads around the subject but nothing in detail. I added K&N Filters to my 2005 XLR two weeks ago. Since then the check engine light has come one twice. I was not sure what it was the first time and it disappeared the next day. But it came on again. I had OnStart run the diagnostic and per a recommendation from another thread had them transfer me to the Diag. Tech Group for the codes. They said it was the Mass Airflow Sensor (MAS) and this is usually caused from dampness or contamination.

He stated that the code will remove it self after 3 cold/warm cycles or 40 cold/warm cycles depending on how the code was set. This might explain why it went away the first time.

Has anyone else experience this problem. Could the K&N be overoiled and should I clean them and then put less oil on them?

Any insight or recommendations would be grealtly appreciated.

Sully

Anytime you clean or replace your filter element your suppose to clean your MAS. With some Mass air flow cleaner. A few quick sprays and your done.

When I put in my Volant setup, I had the airbag light come on!? It went out by itself. These cars just act weird.

Thanks for the response. I will look up how to clean the MAS - unless anyone has the inclination to post before I find it. :thumbs

When you add the air intake to the non-V is there any 'tuning' or anything electronic/sensor related that needs to be done?

Nope. Just take out the old restrictive unit. Clean the MAS and the throttle body. And put in the new setup. What a difference it made!

Its not as easy as the V series but nonetheless still relatively easy to do yourself. You have to relocate where the MAS Sensor sits which is directly in-front of the throttle body. Took me less then an hour to do the whole job. And I was taking my time. Listening to the NY Rangers on the radio while doing it.

Nope. Just take out the old restrictive unit. Clean the MAS and the throttle body. And put in the new setup. What a difference it made!

Its not as easy as the V series but nonetheless still relatively easy to do yourself. You have to relocate where the MAS Sensor sits which is directly in-front of the throttle body. Took me less then an hour to do the whole job. And I was taking my time. Listening to the NY Rangers on the radio while doing it.


Are there instructions on how to relocate the MAS sensor?

Are there instructions on how to relocate the MAS sensor?

There are Instructions. But not for that. It is pretty self-explanatory.

On an earlier post, someone mentioned that you can over oil the K&N filters and this will cause condensation. Take them out and wipe them off and clean MAS. It will go away.
BobThanks for the response. I will look up how to clean the MAS - unless anyone has the inclination to post before I find it. :thumbs

I have seen a bit of older threads around the subject but nothing in detail. I added K&N Filters to my 2005 XLR two weeks ago. Since then the check engine light has come one twice. I was not sure what it was the first time and it disappeared the next day. But it came on again. I had OnStart run the diagnostic and per a recommendation from another thread had them transfer me to the Diag. Tech Group for the codes. They said it was the Mass Airflow Sensor (MAS) and this is usually caused from dampness or contamination.

He stated that the code will remove it self after 3 cold/warm cycles or 40 cold/warm cycles depending on how the code was set. This might explain why it went away the first time.

Has anyone else experience this problem. Could the K&N be overoiled and should I clean them and then put less oil on them?

Any insight or recommendations would be grealtly appreciated.

Sully

I run the K&N filters and have not had any problems whatsoever. If you were doing a WOT run after just puting them in that might have sucked some of the excess oil onto the MAS. Electrical cleaner or Brakleen works ok as it cleans and evaporates quickly and leaves no residue. :cheers

Regards,

Elfred

I run the K&N filters and have not had any problems whatsoever. If you were doing a WOT run after just puting them in that might have sucked some of the excess oil onto the MAS. Electrical cleaner or Brakleen works ok as it cleans and evaporates quickly and leaves no residue. :cheers

Regards,

Elfred

I went out and got some MAS cleaner from the autoparts store. Worked great, however after 2 days the engine light came on again and it is the MAS once again.

Anymore thoughts?

Maybe you need a new Sensor how many miles do you have on your ride?

Maybe you need a new Sensor how many miles do you have on your ride?

48k

On Jan. 10,2008 I picked up my car from Service Dept. at Bud Davis Cadillac and headed back to my residence. There were severe weather conditions and copius amounts of rain. Anyway, the blowing rain and spray got inducted to the air filters and their holders filling them up with water causing engine light to re-appear for the the 3rd time since ownership of less than 1 year. No one alerted me to this problem with the car and heavy rain. Is this problem going to be addressed by Cadillac or should I not drive it during thunderstorms? Any help on this would be appreciated!!!!

hey zigzag,
living down here in the south i encounter lots of rain, real heavy at times and have never experienced what you described. Haven't seen it posted on the forum either...wonder if anyone else will post.
cheers,
darrell

Hi guys,

Had mine through some hellacious rainstorms (well how about 4, we're in drought mode for now) and have never had a problem. Is your airbox and elements stock? If they have been modified that could be a source of the problem.

Also don't drive through deep water.:jester

Regards,

Elfred

try to disconnet the battry for a wile.and reconnect it ...lets say 1 hr..and see if you still get the engine light...

i beleive its just one time engine light on but then it doesnt reset it ...

there is another way to reset that, but then am familier with OBD I only..not OBDII...

try and let us know...

Regards,
Hamad

Before I tear up those rubber bushing....... How do you take off the air filter assemblies and the air "horn" off the engine?
Chad


Never mind!!!! I got them to pop off. Easy,,,, Duhhh!

Hey Chad,

Which air filters air you installing? Let us know the results...! :yesnod (engine sound change, performance change, installation or any other issues, Thanks)

SilverX


Before I tear up those rubber bushing....... How do you take off the air filter assemblies and the air "horn" off the engine?
Chad


Never mind!!!! I got them to pop off. Easy,,,, Duhhh!

Sorry to get everyone's hope up....... I'm not changing out the filters,,,,,,, What I am doing,,,,, uh was doing, I'm done. Was running a wire lead down to the front underneath side of my V from the battery. Needed to get in under and behind the air filters. So now I can plug in my battery tender without taking the cover off the car!

But I did discover one thing!!! The air cleaner covers must be in two pieces. It looks like there's a "cover" over the filter retainer that clips down. I think it's velcroed on. Take it off and the filter retainer is open on both ends. I would think that a lot more air would flow in without that "extra piece". When we saw the 09 at RII it had a different design filter cover. But I didn't take it off, Can't get the car out much around here till Spring. BUT!!!! Tomorrow it's suppose to be 57 degrees!!! Maybe a joy ride tomorrow! Day after that probaby snow and only 19 degrees for a high. OMG,,,, Nebraska weather!?!?

Chad

I was trying to buy the Volant cold air intake for my 2004 xlr and it only lists the part being available for the 2005 and on, does anyone know if the air flow setup is different on the 2004? Then I tried to get the normal filter replacements from K&N and same thing, only 2005 and on. Does anyone know if the 2004 air filters are actually different from the newer models? I find it hard to believe they are different but thought I would ask before ordering.

I contacted K&N regarding this issue and they say their (square) filters won't fit in the 04. The GM air filter PN is the same for 04-05. I've read posts where others say they've installed them without any trouble. The Volant CAI from D3 is advertised to work ith the 04, but it's way overpriced for a Y-shaped piece of polyethelene wth two K&N cone filters attached in my opinion.
CC :cheers