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2006 Cadillac XLR-V/1G6YX36D665602653
Ann Logistics Tracking #ANN0593325930

I saw a 2006 Cadilac XLR-V on the “www.carsforsale.com” web site on or about February 26, 2017. The price of the car was what I considered a reasonable price (US$15,000) for the vehicle subject to examination of course and not any screaming deal so my caution was not raised based on a deal too good to be true for this 11 year old vehicle. The vehicle the ad stated was located at 706 W. Montecito Drive, Pheonix, Arizona 85013 and had a telephone # of 602 272-4714. The physical address is one of a small mall as per Google map. The pictures in the advertisement was the same as pictures later sent to me by the seller.

I emailed the vendor and received a response from a person who called himself Martin Vedran.

The www.carsforsale.com website is registered to “Registration Private” located at 14455 N. Hayden Road, Scottsdale, Arizona, 85260 with a phone number of 480 624-2599. The physical location of that address is a GoDaddy office.

It was my intent to purchase a collector's car from Vedran. Verdun claimed that prior to his recent move to Croatia, he had lived in Arizona but the car was still registered in California as it was less costly. Vedran informed me that he recently moved back to Croatia taking the car with him. When he went to Croatia, taking the car with him, he was unaware of the import rules and costs involved. He did not want a deposit from me until I had an opportunity to examine the vehicle!

Vedran said the vehicle (2006 Cadillac XLR-V serial #1G6YX36D665602653) was still at the shipping company’s warehouse as it was not processed into Croatia. The vehicle would have to be shipped from Croatia to me. He would cover that shipping costs from the process and repeated that he did not want a deposit until I had seen the car and had an opportunity to checked it out.

Verdan then guided me to the shipping company's web site with a direct link (Ann Logistics | International Shipping | Executive Vehicle Service) in his next email to me. Vedran then told me the logistic company would contact me directly.

I was then called (via phone) by the shipping company employee (Melissa Pislen) who discussed how the vehicle (which Pislan confirmed was currently in Ann Logistics’ possession) along with the required signed transferred papers that I will need to transfer into my name in BC, Canada.

I received a 4 page "Contract of Sale" document from Ann Logistics that contained logos of 6 trusted companies:
1) BIFA (British International Freight Association);
2) ICS (ICS (International) COURIER);
3) RHA (UK's Road Haulage Association);
4) KEG (Keg Logistics);
5) UKWA (United Kingdom Warehousing Association);
6) IATA Cargo Agents (International Air Transport Association).
The document was dated (March 2, 2017) and had two alternate colours and signed official looking stamps. It had my name and address and the vehicle they were shipping along with serial number (attached as EX1 Contract . . .) . It looked very official and very legal and very safe to forward the funds.

The shipping company claim they needed a deposit of 35% (US$5,000) that they assured me they will not provide the funds to the seller, until the vehicle is accepted by myself and the required import and transfer documents are provided in acceptable form to effect a transfer. Clause 9 of the agreement clearly states: "If the Buyer decides he/she does accept the goods, then she/he will receive a full refund."

I was a nervous about the requirement of me sending the $5k . . . I went back to their web site which had logos that falsely showed they were associated with, or belonged to, the following associations:
1) Zagrebacka Banka (bank where the first request for funds were transferred to) today (Mar 13, 2017) I again received a new email for a second request for funds which stated:
*The invoice will expire within 12 hours of issue, if you don't send the payment within 12 hours we'll send you a new invoice. *
*Invoice Number: 8682*
*Payment Reference Number / Additional Instructions : ANN0593325930*
*Payment Amount: CA$14**,366.00 / US$10,725.00-65%*
*Payment Method: Bank Wire Transfer*
*Transaction Type: International*
Account Name: ANN LOGISTICS
IBAN (International Bank Account Number): *HR78-2360-0003-2446-87863*
Address : JURISICEVA UL. 13, 10000, ZAGREB, CROATIA
Swift Code/BIC Code: ZABAHR2X
Bank Name: ZAGREBACKA BANKA
Bank Address: TRG BANA JOSIPA JELACICA 10, ZAGREB 1000, CROATIA

The transport will be approved in the next working day after the wire is confirmed.
Please send a copy of the wire receipt by e-mail or by fax +448721117333 (Photo/ Scan).;
2) Bank Transfer (Pay Safe Escrow);
3) World Escrow Trusted Third Party; and
4) Pay Safe.

In addition their web site clearly displayed certificates for and showed they belonged to the following associations:
1) AFNOR (AFAQ) - (issued December 31, 2013 Expires December 31, 2019) Certifies compliance of “Transports Routiers de Fret Interurbains”;
2) DNV ( Det Norske Veritas Business Assurance France) - (issued November 2, 2009 expires November 2, 2019) Certifies compliance of “Transportation for Business Customers and Consumers, Logistics and Warehousing”;
3) COFRAC BUREAU VERITAS - (issued May 6, 2009 expires December 20, 2020) Certifies that the company has been audited and conforms with the standards of “ Vehicle Transportation, Logistics and Warehousing”
4) IQ Net (The International Certification Network) - (issued January 20, 2014 expires January 19, 2019) Certifies that “Transportation for Business Customers and Consumers, Logistics and Warehousing
5) AIB VINCOTE INTERNATIONAL LIMITED - (issued March 11, 2013 expires March 21, 2019) Certified that the company has established and maintained a quality management system for “International Forwarding”

These certificates provided confidence in me sending money until the vehicle was actually delivery.

Still cautious. . . I checked Google Map for each of their addresses and found them to be warehouses, which appeared reasonable seeing as how they were a logistic shipping company.

The agreement provided by Ann Logistics was that my funds would be held until the car was delivered and transferred into my name.

On March 2, 2017, I transferred CAN$7,705 funds (equivalent to US$5k) to Zagrebacka Banka.

Up to this point I received daily emails from Ann Logistic (croatia@annlogistics.com) and Martin Vedran (martinvedran62@gmail.com) . . . once money was transferred the emails stopped even though I emailed Ann Logistics’ head office in UK as well as Vedran and Crotia office on March 9, 2017. I did not get a response from any of their email addresses or from any of the other email addresses on Ann Logistics web site.

To my surprise on March 11, 2017 I received the following email from Vedran: “Hi Wayne, I didn't talk with them, I'm outside of country. I will contact the transport company and I will let you know the status. The car should be on the way. Thank you”

I did a search on WhoIs and located the registered admin contact for Ann Logistic’s web site: John Hudson of 4 Great Central Way, London and a registered phone number as +44.02081444816. His registered email address is: hbkc521@gmail.com. My email to him was bounced back as no such.

I sent an email to the web name registrar (PublicDomainRegistry.com) found on WhoIs. Again I received no response. PublicDomainRegistry is registered in United Arab Emirates with a phone number of +1.2013775952.

My latest contact with Ann Logistics is on March 13, 2017 where they requested I send another US$10,725 via bank transfer. They also attached the same email address, “croatia@annlogistics.com but added a new address of: Doversfield Industrial Estates, Derby Rd, Uttoxeter ST14 8HU, United Kingdom. Phone # +44 (0)2081 333081. This new address is also tied to Ihr Europa-Transporteur - LKW WALTER which links to “International LKW Walter Transportation” another scam site that duplicates the Ann Logistic site.

I am at dead end and have lost my $7,705 deposit . . . I need to assist so others will not be deceived. The Zagrebacka Banka is participating in international money laundering and fraud.
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My suspicions would have alerted as soon as the seller said it was cheaper to register his car in CA over AZ, so he was taking it to Croatia. . . Shipping it back and forth from Croatia would cost a lot more than registering it . . . anywhere.

There were so many red flags waving on this "deal" it's hard to believe anyone could be enticed to send thousands of dollars for a car that isn't even close to being physically accessible -if it even exists. Certifications, sales photos, (or anything else) can be faked online.

Sorry for your loss, but this isn't much different than the, "We've got millions of dollars waiting in a Nigerian bank account just waiting to be released to you - if you send us $5000 to process it" scams.

Apparently, it's pretty popular online. --Just Google the VIN.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Cadilla...469110/?_ul=BO

and here, where it didn't sell for the $31.5k list:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Cadilla...-/222422013410

http://www.trucks2cars.com/car-detai...412317367.html

https://carsale-ads.com/Cadillac-XLR-V--lot152136475445

http://usedfromusa.com/cadillac-ads/...lac-xlr-v.html

Just to see what happens, I sent a request to a site still advertising it, asking for a test drive.




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Thank you so much for sharing your story... I was in the process of purchasing a 2012 Nissan GTR from this same person! Here is the phone number her gave me and my husband just spoke to him at this number today!!323-300-5345. I had a feeling it was too good to be true (the price was about 20k less than market value) he told me he lived in FL and was moving to Croatia and didn't realize the high cost of registering a vehicle there, and that he would pay all shipping and transfer costs! I'm sorry that this happened to you and hope you can get your money back!
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2006 Cadillac XLR-V/1G6YX36D665602653
Ann Logistics Tracking #ANN0593325930

I saw a 2006 Cadilac XLR-V on the ?www.carsforsale.com? web site on or about February 26, 2017. The price of the car was what I considered a reasonable price (US$15,000) for the vehicle subject to examination of course and not any screaming deal so my caution was not raised based on a deal too good to be true for this 11 year old vehicle. The vehicle the ad stated was located at 706 W. Montecito Drive, Pheonix, Arizona 85013 and had a telephone # of 602 272-4714. The physical address is one of a small mall as per Google map. The pictures in the advertisement was the same as pictures later sent to me by the seller.

I emailed the vendor and received a response from a person who called himself Martin Vedran.

The www.carsforsale.com website is registered to ?Registration Private? located at 14455 N. Hayden Road, Scottsdale, Arizona, 85260 with a phone number of 480 624-2599. The physical location of that address is a GoDaddy office.

It was my intent to purchase a collector's car from Vedran. Verdun claimed that prior to his recent move to Croatia, he had lived in Arizona but the car was still registered in California as it was less costly. Vedran informed me that he recently moved back to Croatia taking the car with him. When he went to Croatia, taking the car with him, he was unaware of the import rules and costs involved. He did not want a deposit from me until I had an opportunity to examine the vehicle!

Vedran said the vehicle (2006 Cadillac XLR-V serial #1G6YX36D665602653) was still at the shipping company?s warehouse as it was not processed into Croatia. The vehicle would have to be shipped from Croatia to me. He would cover that shipping costs from the process and repeated that he did not want a deposit until I had seen the car and had an opportunity to checked it out.

Verdan then guided me to the shipping company's web site with a direct link (Ann Logistics | International Shipping | Executive Vehicle Service) in his next email to me. Vedran then told me the logistic company would contact me directly.

I was then called (via phone) by the shipping company employee (Melissa Pislen) who discussed how the vehicle (which Pislan confirmed was currently in Ann Logistics? possession) along with the required signed transferred papers that I will need to transfer into my name in BC, Canada.

I received a 4 page "Contract of Sale" document from Ann Logistics that contained logos of 6 trusted companies:
1) BIFA (British International Freight Association);
2) ICS (ICS (International) COURIER);
3) RHA (UK's Road Haulage Association);
4) KEG (Keg Logistics);
5) UKWA (United Kingdom Warehousing Association);
6) IATA Cargo Agents (International Air Transport Association).
The document was dated (March 2, 2017) and had two alternate colours and signed official looking stamps. It had my name and address and the vehicle they were shipping along with serial number (attached as EX1 Contract . . .) . It looked very official and very legal and very safe to forward the funds.

The shipping company claim they needed a deposit of 35% (US$5,000) that they assured me they will not provide the funds to the seller, until the vehicle is accepted by myself and the required import and transfer documents are provided in acceptable form to effect a transfer. Clause 9 of the agreement clearly states: "If the Buyer decides he/she does accept the goods, then she/he will receive a full refund."

I was a nervous about the requirement of me sending the $5k . . . I went back to their web site which had logos that falsely showed they were associated with, or belonged to, the following associations:
1) Zagrebacka Banka (bank where the first request for funds were transferred to) today (Mar 13, 2017) I again received a new email for a second request for funds which stated:
*The invoice will expire within 12 hours of issue, if you don't send the payment within 12 hours we'll send you a new invoice. *
*Invoice Number: 8682*
*Payment Reference Number / Additional Instructions : ANN0593325930*
*Payment Amount: CA$14**,366.00 / US$10,725.00-65%*
*Payment Method: Bank Wire Transfer*
*Transaction Type: International*
Account Name: ANN LOGISTICS
IBAN (International Bank Account Number): *HR78-2360-0003-2446-87863*
Address : JURISICEVA UL. 13, 10000, ZAGREB, CROATIA
Swift Code/BIC Code: ZABAHR2X
Bank Name: ZAGREBACKA BANKA
Bank Address: TRG BANA JOSIPA JELACICA 10, ZAGREB 1000, CROATIA

The transport will be approved in the next working day after the wire is confirmed.
Please send a copy of the wire receipt by e-mail or by fax +448721117333 (Photo/ Scan).;
2) Bank Transfer (Pay Safe Escrow);
3) World Escrow Trusted Third Party; and
4) Pay Safe.

In addition their web site clearly displayed certificates for and showed they belonged to the following associations:
1) AFNOR (AFAQ) - (issued December 31, 2013 Expires December 31, 2019) Certifies compliance of ?Transports Routiers de Fret Interurbains?;
2) DNV ( Det Norske Veritas Business Assurance France) - (issued November 2, 2009 expires November 2, 2019) Certifies compliance of ?Transportation for Business Customers and Consumers, Logistics and Warehousing?;
3) COFRAC BUREAU VERITAS - (issued May 6, 2009 expires December 20, 2020) Certifies that the company has been audited and conforms with the standards of ? Vehicle Transportation, Logistics and Warehousing?
4) IQ Net (The International Certification Network) - (issued January 20, 2014 expires January 19, 2019) Certifies that ?Transportation for Business Customers and Consumers, Logistics and Warehousing
5) AIB VINCOTE INTERNATIONAL LIMITED - (issued March 11, 2013 expires March 21, 2019) Certified that the company has established and maintained a quality management system for ?International Forwarding?

These certificates provided confidence in me sending money until the vehicle was actually delivery.

Still cautious. . . I checked Google Map for each of their addresses and found them to be warehouses, which appeared reasonable seeing as how they were a logistic shipping company.

The agreement provided by Ann Logistics was that my funds would be held until the car was delivered and transferred into my name.

On March 2, 2017, I transferred CAN$7,705 funds (equivalent to US$5k) to Zagrebacka Banka.

Up to this point I received daily emails from Ann Logistic (croatia@annlogistics.com) and Martin Vedran (martinvedran62@gmail.com) . . . once money was transferred the emails stopped even though I emailed Ann Logistics? head office in UK as well as Vedran and Crotia office on March 9, 2017. I did not get a response from any of their email addresses or from any of the other email addresses on Ann Logistics web site.

To my surprise on March 11, 2017 I received the following email from Vedran: ?Hi Wayne, I didn't talk with them, I'm outside of country. I will contact the transport company and I will let you know the status. The car should be on the way. Thank you?

I did a search on WhoIs and located the registered admin contact for Ann Logistic?s web site: John Hudson of 4 Great Central Way, London and a registered phone number as +44.02081444816. His registered email address is: hbkc521@gmail.com. My email to him was bounced back as no such.

I sent an email to the web name registrar (PublicDomainRegistry.com) found on WhoIs. Again I received no response. PublicDomainRegistry is registered in United Arab Emirates with a phone number of +1.2013775952.

My latest contact with Ann Logistics is on March 13, 2017 where they requested I send another US$10,725 via bank transfer. They also attached the same email address, ?croatia@annlogistics.com but added a new address of: Doversfield Industrial Estates, Derby Rd, Uttoxeter ST14 8HU, United Kingdom. Phone # +44 (0)2081 333081. This new address is also tied to Ihr Europa-Transporteur - LKW WALTER which links to ?International LKW Walter Transportation? another scam site that duplicates the Ann Logistic site.

I am at dead end and have lost my $7,705 deposit . . . I need to assist so others will not be deceived. The Zagrebacka Banka is participating in international money laundering and fraud.
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